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wondering if you are able to confirm that?

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A. Yes, that is the article.

Q. My copy is awfully difficult to read, and I'm not going to try to put you through any

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I will ask you if, just by looking at

it, you can pick out easily any of the
information that Mr. Sauzynski suggested cane
from his work?

A. He did not tell me in any detail at all
what information he had provided that he was

concerned about.

2. You saw that article at or about the

time -

well, I guess you saw that article on the

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And can you be anymore specific about what Mr. Sauzyanski told you was his work product, if you will, that's in the article?

I don't believe he did tell me. It was merely a comment by him that information he had collected had appeared in this article. I assumed it was all of the confidential

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Q. Did you say earlier that he had a piece

of paper in his hand while you were talking?
He had the newspaper.

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Oh, it wasn't workpapers or something

he had numbers on, or something?

A. Correct.

Q. Did he tell you what form he had put

the information into?

I'm trying to find out what kind of

report this supposedly came from.

NR. MCALEER: Objection.

THE WITNESS : He said that part of the

information he had just gotten from a telephone

call to San Francisco. It was not something that

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Did he happen to

tell you who he had talked with in San Francisco?

-1. No, he did not.

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a week or so ago, did that topic come up as to

attitude when you read this Wall Street Journal
article?

MR. MURPHY: I'm going to object to the
form of the question as to its vagueness.
THE WITNESS : I was concerned that the
article contained information that was not
public, should not have been public. It was
through this article.

Q. (BY MR. GALLAGHER) What exactly did

you do about that?

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a neno to Chairman Gray.

2. That would have been on January 8th, I

Prior to sending that neno, I also made a referral to the agency's Inspector General. And again, I'm not sure if I did it directly or if I did it by asking General Counsel to do so.

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General Counsel had the real responsibility for
advising the Inspector General.

And I have in the back of my mind that
I asked Harry Quillian if he would make that
referral, because I know I didn't write a Reno
saying: I hereby refer you to the Inspector
General.

Q. Is that what you had done on the

earlier leak inquiry?

MR. MCALEER: Objection.

THE WITNESS : I believe on the other one,

we had sent the letter complaining about the Jay
Jannis matter, just sent a copy to the Inspector
General and asked that he use that and look into

the matter.

Q. (BY MR. GALLAGHER) Was that a letter from Fischbein at Kaye, Sholer to Hershkowitz?

Yes.

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2. Before we go any further on this
article, let me stop you with December 31st,
1986, and ask you if at that time you had any
knowledge of a feud or an argument going between
what I will call the Keating interests,

ACC/Lincoln and Mr. Keating himself, and anybody

connected with the Bank Board?

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please.

MR. MURPHY: Could you repeat the question,

(The portion requested was read by the

court reporter.)

MR. MURPHY: Can you ask those questions separately?

When you say feud or argument, I wish

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Let me ask you, I will use the word feud for starters: Did you have any impression that there was a feud going between the Keating interests and anybody at the Bank Board in San Francisco?

MR. MURPHY: I'm going to object that it calls for speculation.

THE WITNESS: At the time that Mr. Henkel made the regulatory proposal that's discussed in this December 24th article, which was a few days

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