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A. I don't believe I have, no.

Q. At the bottom of page 29 you talk about having failed to reach a mutual understanding with Chairman Gray on the questionable disclosure of confidential agency information about

Lincoln.

Tell me the facts, please, that you relied on to make that assertion in your

testimony.

A. I'm referring to the December 1986

release of information to The Wall Street

Journal.

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Anything else?

No.

Q. When you say you failed to reach a mutual understanding, did you ever have a conversation with Gray about that event?

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Q. While you did ask for a memorandum to

be issued by Mr. Gray, as a result of that

episode, correct?

A. Yes.

Q. Is that the only contact you had with Mr. Gray.concerning the December 24th Wall Street Journal article, the written request for a meno? A. Yes.

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Q. All right. At the bottom of page, page 38, please. Would you take a moment to read the second paragraph on that page and over to the top of page 39.

I intend to ask you about vendetta

attitude on the top of page 39.

Are you with me?

Q. At the top of page 39 after

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testimony, you gave oral testimony before
Congress, right?

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(Consultation was had between the witness

and counsel.)

Q. (BY MR. GALLAGHER) Let me just ask
you, because I think I'm reading from your
testimony; you correct me if I'm wrong: You
recall testifying before Congress on Tuesday,

November 21st, that, quote, "There was also at
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Did you believe that Black, and. Gray

were trying to hold Lincoln up as an example of

the evil that results from direct investment

excesses?

MR. MCALEER:

Objection.

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THE WITNESS:

That is my conclusion now,

after three years of information coming to my

attention.

Q. (BY MR. GALLAGHER) Do you believe that Black and Gray tried to punish Lincoln for its vocal objections to the direct investment rule?

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THE WITNESS: This is one of those phrases where my choice of words was not very good. I don't, I don't think "punishing" was exactly the right word.

I think using them as an example of a direct investment violator is a correct

conclusion.

And I don't think that the use of the

word "punishing" was a very wise choice of words

on my part.

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That's right.

Yes, I really had not

addressed that before.

Q. (BY MR. GALLAGHER) okay. Would you

A. I do not believe that had Lincoln

challenged the reg, without already being in

violation of it, that people would have had this
desire to hold then out as the example.

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The fact was there was a violation, and

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there was opposition to the regulation.

And I

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believe that those two things together were
intolerable to Mr. Gray. And I understand that.

Q. Well, at least part of it was because
of the vocal objection, at least part of the
reason for Mr. Gray's being upset in your view

was the vocal objection to the direct investment

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THE WITNESS: I'm sorry. I didn't get the

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